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Dtigwell wrote: "I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but it seems unfair to list, for example, The Foundation Trilogy and each of the Foundation books separately. I would think that would split the vote, and If I remove the trilogy, people will just keep adding it. Any ideas? Feb 26, AM. Great list. Everything in the top is unarguably science fiction with for me the weakest case being Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut.

I am uncomfortable confusing all "having fun with reality" as being true science fiction just because a small plot device in the novel is jokingly premised on some ability we don't currently possess. But then Orwell's Animal Farm won a Hugo, and there's no possible argument to my mind for Animal Farm being science fiction. I think you may have a difficult case to make for classifying all alternate history as not science fiction. The work that really tests that contention to my mind is H. Beam Piper's Paratime series, which is unquestionably science fiction as well as alternate history.

The reason people in Piper's Paratime series are able to move between Alternate Earths is because of technology we don't have on our Level 4 world. How history is alternate is less important in most of the works making up this series than the actual moving through dimensions with scientifically created apparati and the ability to do so.

Also, Piper is dead serious in his writing style - no Vonnegut playfulness - which makes his work seem more inarguably science fiction. On double listing Asimov's work, you could simply say at the beginning of the list "Please do not include fantasy, alternate history, entire series list the individual works instead or other speculative fiction genres Then, yeah, you will still no doubt have to constantly remove it.

Mar 25, PM. Hi All. Some good points made here, but any list that allows a high level of interactivity is going to have its quality control issues. For mine, this is the best of its type that I have found. People are free to nominate a book for inclusion, but at the end of the day I decide whether it makes it or not.

Again, it's a quality control thing where I exercise my editorial prerogative. As for some specific comments above, Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle is classic sci-fi satire and more than deserves a spot on the list.

Vonnegut, however, always claimed his books were not sci-fi. Six of one, half-dozen of another. Alternate history novels might be sci-fi, but are not necessarily so by definition.

There needs to be some sort of science fictional element time travel; parallel universe; etc. May 15, PM. From what I can make out of the summary, it's not science fiction. I confess the summary is rather confusing, so i could be wrong. Summaries sound like stone age fiction and fantasy. Supernatural thriller, from the sound of it I'm sure there's more, but I got tired of looking for them. Nov 16, PM. Just including a secondary character who might be immortal or a time traveller does not make the novels anything more than historical fiction.

Disappointed to see negative comments about Enders Game. Movie was quite true to the book. Nov 22, PM. Blue: any book with a time traveler in it is either science fiction or fantasy, though it can also be historical fiction at the same time.

Dec 03, PM. Michael wrote: "Blue: any book with a time traveler in it is either science fiction or fantasy, though it can also be historical fiction at the same time. My understanding reading the books was that there was one minor character not central to the story lines who doesn't age. Exactly why is not stated. So, if you want to 'assume' a time traveller then it 'could' be SF.

Or is he just an immortal supernatural - not SF? But it is very vague. What do others think? Dec 04, AM. Well I must say I am greatly surprised by this list; the most recently published book in the top 10 is from and the vast majority that round out the ton seem to be from the 70s and earlier. And I'm not asking this to be inflammatory in any way, I'm genuinely curious to get peoples' opinions on this point. Also, to hark back to previous comments made in regards to whether or not The Road should be considered SF; personally I would have to argue that it's not, for the following reason: In the description for this list, Science Fiction is described thus I would think it's fairly safe to say that none of the final four points apply to The Road, so this really only leaves us with "future settings" with the understanding that these are not the only criteria that constitute a sci-fi story and to my recollection, there is nothing in the story that actually places it as a future setting.

The "disaster" that occurred could just as easily have happened in the 70s or 80s as in the future and this would place the narrative of the story in the past, which to my mind would make it more of an alternate history than sci-fi. And of course, all this is just conjecture and supposition anyway; there is no definitive definition that fits all cases where genre is concerned and there will always be stories that don't fit neatly into any one or another, but our minds just love to categorise and pigeon-hole and say that this is like that, and, well, sometimes it's just fun to have a good old "it is or it isn't" discussion about a book.

And it's really just my rationalisation anyway, ultimately, The Road just doesn't feel like science fiction in my opinion. And while we're on the subject, I'd have to argue that The Stand doesn't qualify as sci-fi for the same reasons. The Road and The Stand are examples of post-apocalyptic fiction.

Some people would like to say of genres that all post-apocalyptic fiction is sci-fi while all alternative history is not. It's neat, clean, and cut and dry to make such assertions. Unfortunately, just as in the world, the shades of gray confound us. I have already pointed out how the wonderful Paratime series by H. Beam Piper should clearly be considered sci-fi even though it's also alternate history.

Alternate history riders in Paratime use a device called the Ghaldron-Hesthor field generator to traverse realities. It can't get much more sci-fi than that! I'm sure there are other alternate history works that are science fiction like this. You have made a case that I agree with for The Road and The Stand, two post-apocalyptic novels that would automatically be classified as sci-fi, to not be considered as such.

I would add Matheson's I Am Legend to this list of two that should not be classified as science fiction for similar reasons. I see no evidence of The Road as possibly taking place in the s.

I assumed throughout my reading simply that it took place in the near future. Your correct assertion that nothing in the novel contradicts that it could have taken place in the s does support not classifying The Road as sci-fi. There's no enhanced technology referred to and no developments from current society that occur except for a nuclear bomb having probably gone off for no revealed reason.

A nuclear bomb having gone off is insufficient reason to my mind for classifying The Road as science fiction. Then, there's the really difficult grays between fantasy and sci-fi, such as Andre Norton's Witch World series, just to name one that quickly comes to my mind.

Science fiction? Well, some extra-terrestrial beings appear to have constructed the gates leading into that world. However, after that, magic and fantasy appear to dominate how both Estcarp and the High Hallack continents work, yet not always exclusively so. Proper classification here and, I am sure, with many other works I have not read remains elusive. Dan and Marcus: That's a good argument against The Road as science fiction, but not enough to disqualify it from the list.

It may or may not be science fiction, but a post-apocalyptic world in which bombs have destroyed civilization could easily be argued to be something that hasn't happened yet and would only happen in the future.

If so, it would be science fiction for two reasons: 1. When science is applied in a new way wiping out a civilization with bombs , that's the definition of science fiction. When a story takes place in the future and is based on an imagined setting for what the future would be like, that is also science fiction. That's a long-accepted way of determining such.

Marcus, you are misunderstanding the description for this list. Your point about The Road possibly taking place in the past is a good one, which shows that an alternate history storyline could be classified as science fiction, if science is being applied in a way that it wasn't applied at that time in history. If someone were to write a story that seemed like steampunk which is normally subgenre of fantasy in such a way that their devices were scientifically feasible and in such a way that magic was not part of the story, I would argue that it would change from fantasy to science fiction, even if it took place in the 's.

I edited my original description of this list to allow SOME alternate history. Marcus: to answer your other question, 1. A somewhat objective opinion: fewer people have read science fiction books written in the last 20 years than books older than that. Once a book is 20 years old, it has had time to gain a reputation because people who have been putting it off finally have a chance to recommend it.

Ender's Game, for example, has been recommended to me by many people for the last 15 or so years of my life, but I never read it until last year. No modern science fiction books have ever been recommended to me, so I haven't read as many of them. The sum of this is that fewer people have read current sci-fi and thus have no opinions about it, which keeps those books away from the top of the list, where well-established books go. My personal opinion: Science-fiction has declined as a whole.

It's one of my favorite books of any genre. Dec 05, AM. Michael wrote: "Dan and Marcus: That's a good argument against The Road as science fiction, but not enough to disqualify it from the list. It may or may not be science fiction, but a post-apocalyptic world in which And I completely agree that some alternate history stories can also be classed as SF, so if nothing else I'm glad to see that cleared up in the list description.

On the other hand, I must admit to struggling somewhat with your statement that wiping out a civilization with bombs constitutes an application of science in a new way - I'm sure the citizens of Nagasaki and Hiroshima in would argue that we've clearly seen the effects such bombs would have and it's just a matter of scale to ramp this up to a planet-wide effect. So really, this is more a case of science fact rather than fiction, but of course this doesn't preclude The Road from being classed as science fiction as it's clearly a fictional story anyway.

And as to the rest of the description for SF, no misunderstanding on my part. I reaslise that the examples listed may apply individually or in any combination and are also not exhaustive of what SF stories may include, but it was convenient to use the examples given to illustrate my opinion. Dec 05, PM. Thanks Marcus. Marcus and Dan, "Science fact" would mean that it had already happened. Science fiction is the application of science fact to a fictional story. A whole civilization has not been wiped out by a nuclear bomb, but a whole city has.

Therefore, it's possible to apply what we know about nuclear bombs to create a situation in a story that hasn't happened yet. That's what science fiction is about. If we didn't have a good reason to think that a bomb could destroy a civilization, the book would be fantasy instead. Jan 12, AM. Consider adding "The colour out of space" by H. Tiago wrote: "Consider adding "The colour out of space" by H. I can't add other people's favorites. If you want the book in the list, you have to add it.

Jan 17, PM. If you're wondering how to add a book to the list that's not already on it; go to the top of the list, at the tab next to "all votes. Jan 18, AM. Jan 19, AM. Marcus 35 states "sometimes it's just fun to have a good old "it is or it isn't" discussion about a book". Unfortunately no-one yet seems to want to comment on Neal Stephenson's "System of the World" trilogy - is it or isn't it Sci fi Michael 33 thinks it is OK, I am not convinced, 32, Jan 19, PM.

Blue Those are so far down the list that they don't really show up on my radar. I haven't read those books. If your description is correct, then they are not science fiction and shouldn't be on this list. Unfortunately, I see no research, sources, or secondary opinions to back that up yet, so I can't remove them at this point.

Science fiction is the second though I'm ready to admit that it's probably false genre attributed to them by Goodreads readers. At the moment, it's just your point of view versus lots of other people.

Give me something a bit more concrete, and I'll probably remove it. Jan 25, AM. Again, I'm not trying to be critical in any way.

Nor critical of the author -a favorite. Here is s. Pretty accurate. Yet book 3 won the Locus SF award. Jan 27, AM. Winning the award might be enough on its own to get past our definition long enough to make it onto the list Sci-fi is a confusing genre.

After reading the review, I agree with you that it's not science fiction. However, the reviewer makes a somewhat acceptable explanation of why it could be considered a work of fiction that heavily emphasizes science. It's literally "science fiction" but it's also not a work that fits the actual story genre that we normally give that name.

It's fiction about science that does not fit the science fiction genre a genre that requires speculation about unknown but not theoretically impossible applications and discoveries of science.

I would argue that a historical fiction book that described Tesla teleporting through the medium of electricity or Einstein traveling through time would still be science fiction, as would an alternate history book in which everyone in the 's could travel in the same manner, because they apply imagined, not-quite-completely disproven science to a fictional work that is somewhat grounded in reality.

I don't think this baroque cycle seems to do that, so I agree with you. Despite all of that, a lot of people, including "the experts" who choose people for awards, disagree with us, so I suppose we should leave them on the list.

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